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>> tonight, well, you're looking at live in pakistan. these are live images of osama bin laden's compound. there is now information about how it all went down in osama bin laden's pakistan compound. and pakistan's leers right now are criticizing the united states. the foreign ministry calling the raid unauthorized, unilateral action. pakistan is fuming and so is the united states. henry kissinger will tell you all about t. but first, the white house takes you inside, how it raid unfolded. >> on orders of the presidents, a small u.s. team assaulted a secure compound in an affluent suburb of islamabad to capture or kill osama bin laden. the raid was conducted with u.s. military personnel, assaulting on two hel of helicopters. the team cleared the compound, moving from room to room in an operation lasting nearly 40 minutes. they were engaged in a fire fight throughout the operation and osama bin laden was killed
by the assaulting force. in addition to the bin laden family, two other families resided in the compound. one familiarly on the first floor of the bin laden building and one family in a second building. one team began the operation on the first floor of the bin laden house and worked their way to the third floor. a second team cleared the separate building. on the first floor of bin laden's building, two al qaeda couriers were killed, along with a woman who was killed in crossfire. bin laden and his family were found on the second and third floor of the building. there was concern that bin laden would oppose the operation and indeed, he did resist. in the room with bin laden, a woman, bin laden's wife, rushed the u.s. sawrlter and was shot in the leg, but not killed. bin laden was then shot and killed. he was not armed. following the fire fight, the noncombatants were moved to a safe leaks, as the damaged
helicopter was detonated. the team departed to the uss carl vincent in the north arabian sea. on board, the burial of bin laden was done. the deceased body was washed and placed in a white sheet. the body was placed in a weighted bag, a military officer read prepared religious remarks, translated into arabic by a native speaker. after the words were complete, the body was placed on a prepared flat board, tipped up and the deceased body, eased into the sea.
>> dominique? how could the pakistan military and intelligence service not know that bin laden was living there? >> that's the $100 million question. how can they, indeed, not know that he was right under their noses. that was a garrison town in which they found him, islamabad. both the pakistani people and people internationally can't believe he was so close to them for up to six years, they believe, going between the town and the afghanistan border. so the opportunities for him to being caught and the pakistanis didn't pick him up. there have long been accusations that the isi had been protecting key terrorist groups. and now this adds weight to that argument that past elements had been protecting him all these years. it is going to open a huge debate. and no doubt the u.s. government will be wanting to ask the
pakistani government whether there are people who are looking out for both the pakistani and the united states' interests here, gret amount of it seems there are several factions, the isa, the intelligence agency, the military, the civilian government. the pakistani people. what are the sentiments of the pakistani people of what went down and the fact that bin laden was living there? >> there is a great deal of disbelief and downright skepticism. you are talking about a call for photos of osama bin laden's body. they want to see those just to prove that america isn't putting out propaganda there. they believe that american is anti-pakistan and anti-islam and this could be a ploy by the united states to put further pressure on pakistan. so they need to see the photos. and also culturally and across the middle-east, they like to see the bodies of their enemies and those who threaten and those
who they are afraid of to be published as a sign they are gone. look at the sons of saddam hussein, when they were killed by american troops, some years back of you know, i was in libya just a few days ago when muammar al-qaddafi's son was allegedly killed. people were saying, show us the body. show us that it's true. that's how people come to terms and reconcile with the facts. they think that americans just like it. greta? >> dominic, thank you. there is no information about what the navy seals seized from bin laden's compound. you are looking live near the compound. inside the compound, items recovered could hold big clues. we heard about the bin laden compound late sunday night. but congressman mike rogers learned of the lavish compound. good evening, sir. >> thanks for having me.
>> you learned about this in january. >> yes. >> in what context, that this was a potential safe house for bin laden? >> well, it was briefed, it was called the big eight, the chairman and ranking member of the house intelligence and the senate side and leadership. and what it was, it was an outline of here's something we think could be big. we weren't exactly sure, they had thought it could be bin laden. didn't have enough information to say clearly it was. but believed strongly that this had real possibility. so from january, the briefing, looking at the compound and what they had and exploring all the options through the engagement on sunday. >> at what point did you think that it was bin laden? when it was when we got the information? or it was an earlier point? >> you could tell the analysts who were briefing it clearly believed that bin laden was there. we knew it was someone important. they believed it was someone important -- >> never spotted, though?
>> no. never spotted directly, anyway. let me put it that way. but over the course of time, more information was gathered. and it built a very strong -- it was a circumstantial case. so at the end of the day, if you had all of these independent analysts, operator, people like members of congress, chairman and people looking over their shoulder saying, yeah, we all believe that osama bin laden is there, but not 100% sure he was there. so -- good on the president for letting the operation move forward. >> but it seems if they had the lead from the courier, where it started, but they had to get the crab -- the corroboration. he wasn't using the cell phone or the internet. he wasn't coming outside. what would leaditous believe he was inside? >> well, they had source informs about his kind of living conditions that were third party confirmed -- >> other people talking?
>> other people talking. this was a complicated case to put together. we have to remember, it started with that piece of information about a courier. it was a nickname of an arabic name of someone that they believed five years ago was a courier for bin laden. that's how it started. imagine trying to find that in the middle-east. a pretty difficult task. they kept putting it together and getting closer. at one point, surveillance of a courier that was known later in the investigation to be identified to be close to osama bin laden went to the compound. that's how they found it originally. over time, watching tsurveiling it and other things, they were able to put together a very strong case where i think most rational people would read hathey had available and say, i believe osama bin laden is in there. >> i am thinking to myself, if they found a courier to the compound and he is going in, that doesn't mean that bin laden is inside. there has to be something that gives him more information than
the mere fact -- obviously, it turned out to be right. you can't tell me -- >> well, yeah. they did a pattern of life, which they would do on anything of this magnitude for a long period of time. after all of the things included in that pattern of life -- you know, human intelligence, signals intelligence, satellite intelligence, all of those things came together to say, you know, with other pieces of information, yes, i think that's osama bin laden. again, i think an average person walking in, briefed to that detail would come to the same conclusion. and, obviously, the president did as well. >> how did you find out, yes, bingo, we got him. >> well, we were briefed that the operation was about to -- to take place. i got a call from leon panetta, the director of the cia, who did a fantastic job on this, by the way, on sunday saying, it's
done. we have him. >> did you about fall over? >> we knew it was going to go on. we were on pins and needles knowing the operation was a go. some of them can be dry holes. this was not 100 percent a done deal. >> have you gone through this before on other operations? >> there have been other operations for different levels of high-value target, get there, nothing there. get there, wrong people. it's a little bit risk tow take this call. however, i think the volume of evidence justified the decision. and there is nothing like success that says it was the right thing to do. >> indeed, we did have success. that's great. nice to see you, sir. thank you for joining us. >> thanks. >> president obama will travel to ground zero on thursday and he invited former president george w. bush to diswroin him, but he has declined. a spokesperson for president bush said he appreciated the invitation but wants to remain out of the spotlight. he continues to celebrate in this important victory in the
war on terror. >> who he was nancy pelosi talking to? she called president bush and president clinton and thanked them both for their efforts to get osama bin laden. meanwhile, what does michele bachmann have to say about president obama? we asked her. congresswoman bach went on the record. >> congresswoman, nice to see you. >> thank you. >> thanks for letting us come to your office. >> you're welcome. >> you're in the house intel committee, right? when did you learn about osama bin laden? >> probably the same time you learned. i got a call from my chief of staff and he said, turn on the television and that's when i learned. >> how come you didn't learn sooner? i would think you would get the heads up. >> i believe some may have known at the very top part of leadership, but i don't think they wanted to go very far down from that. actually, i am just fine with that. i think this operation was so
crucial and so important, i think the fewer people who knew, the better. >> what's up with pakistan? this happens right in their back yard. we look at this house and it's much bigger than the houses around, near a military installation. pakistan, our friends? >> well, we don't know. it looks like there is a double game going on with pakistan. but i will say that my chairman of the committee, chairman mike rogers said in his opinion, he doesn't believe the pakistanis knew. there are two scenarios, one is that they knew and they were double dealing with us. or number 2, they didn't have a clue. maybe it was incompetence. either way, the pakistanis don't look very goods. >> let's taking the double dealing. there has been information in the past when we wanted to send a drone in, we would notify their intelligence, their isi and they would get back to us. special we have thought they tipped off al qaeda to get out of there and they give us the
green light and everybody's gone. >> that's exactly why this had to be done by the united states alone, singularly. >> that looks like they are double dealing? >> and it could be. it could be. that's the consequence when a nation has a perception of the united states of weakness, if the united states is projecting weak business -- weakness, that country is less likely to fear us. we want cooperation, whether they do it out of fear or whether they do it because they like us. we want cooperation. so it's very important that the united states not allow itself to project weakness. we have to project strength. >> the president was obliged to freelance. we sneak our helicopters in without notifying pakistan, so clearly, we don't fully trust the pakistanis, whether it is incompetence or double dealing. we give them lots of debate. what do we do?
>> i think there will be high-level conversations that will ensue quite soon and downloading of information that comes on and then at that point, that information will come back to congress and we will make decisions. i believe we have given them $18 billion in funding since the early 2000s and there will be questions about whether or not that's pursued. >> we give them a lot of money. if we stop it because we think they are double dealing, then we run the risk of iran filling the void. they have a shoe on our throat. >> exactly. now, pakistan, from their perspective, their interest is india. they have always hada an interest in india and that's a lot of their attention. so it's important for us to recognize that pakistan has nuclear capability. so we don't want nuclear capability in the hands of al qaeda. if al qaeda is in a situation where they might have a position of power in the pakistani
government, that would not serve the united states or israel. >> think about india. they are thinking: we told you so. they do double deal. you can't trust them. you give money to them. we arure your friends. they sent their terrorists to mumbai with over 160 deaths in the hotel and the area. so india's saying, why do you help pakistan? what do you tell india? >> india has been a very good friend to the united states. a lot of things are going to happen behind closed doors, between high-level united states and high-level pakistani officials and there will be a come to jesus meeting. >> i don't mean to suggest i know the answers by the way, because i know it's enormously complicated. but watching what is unfolding and thinking that, okay, they are double dealing us or incompetent, who else is there that they are shielding who may
be preparing to create havoc here or abroad and what about the nuclear weapons? why should we feel their weapons are secure if they are incompetent or double dealing? >> impel. what's what people are worried about right now. in particular, who is in charge? are they in relationship right now, so-called friendly relationship with al qaeda? and then, third, will those people in that situation have an ability to be able to gain access to nuclear weapons? that would not be in anyone's best interest. that's a question we are worried about. >> our representatives in power and now it's secretary of state hillary clinton and president obama on this issue, they seem to say, we have a good relationship with pakistan. things are, you know, they are very cooperative, they have helped us with the war on terror. then we see things like this. is that sort of a necessary part of foreign policy and diplomacy -- or do you think they believe that? >> i don't fault the president or secretary clinton from saying
that. there are things that have to be said for public consumption and then there are things that are said behind close doors. if you are with your husband somewhere and having a conversation, you will say something publicly and something different behind closed doors. and you will find that as well in diplomacy. so i don't fault the president or mrs. clinton at all. >> how did the president do in this operation? >> i want to commend him because it wasn't an easy decision for him to make. a lot of things could have gone wrong in the special ops. this was the right thing to do, there would have been negative fallout that the president would have felt if this had failed. i give the president credit because there was a down side. and i also want to say that this is the new face of fighting this enemy. we have a new enemy. we have a new war. and so the techniques we have to use have to be different. we have to fwoakus on the intelligence community, we have to focus on interrogation. that's why gitmo worked.
it was important to detain and interrogate these people is very important. third, special operations. we have to maintain strong special operations. so we have effectively small-kale wars. i think the days of nation building is not the right direction for the country. also, i think, to not have this be a crim -- criminal act as opposed to a military act. that's something we want to look at because we get into troubled water when is we capture these people and think we have to give a miranda warning and lawyer them up. that would be very difficult, too. this was a real success story. but it provides us lessons for where we need to go from here. >> and the last question, enhanced interrogation or torture -- for it or against it? >> i don't think anyone is for torture -- >> waterboarding? >> well, interrogation -- >> water boarding? >> we water boarded three individuals. one of those individuals was
ksm. you know, there are other people involved fwh that. i wasn't involved in that, who said that that did yield information and kept americans safe. number 1, our priority has to be to keep america and our people safe. that's number 1. what we have learned from this effort is that gitmo works, detention works. we have to thank the interrogation community and the intelligence community and the seals who were involved because they are the one who is deserve the credit. >> congresswoman, thank you very much. >> thank you. come back. >> straight ahead, new information built navy seals' mission to get osama bin laden. lieutenant colonel oliver north takes us behind the scenes. did bin laden get sloppy and leave a trail to his death isn't facts are more riveting by the minute. is there new trouble in pakistan? henry kissinger goes on the rerererererecoco
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in afghanistan. so what was it like? retired colonel oliver north joins us. so? >> hard to do this kind of thing because we are not allowed to show their faces or give out information that would help the enemy. most of these operations are conducted at night. this particular mission that we were on was to attack a high valued target, detained enemy combatants that were out there in the field, and let these guys -- these kinds of operations with very little other supervision up the chain of command. this kind of an operation, greta, is the kind of thing that these guys do regularly. let me show you on this tape that we shot. october last year. >> greta: this is a real mission. >> this is a real mission. this is not training. this is the real thing. u.s. military personnel are the brightest in the world. they are getting on the helicopters in the middle of the night. about 3:00 in the morning, we hit the objective. and you will see a charge go off as they run up to the -- that's a breaching charge placed up against the gate so that they can get in. and then you can hear this guy
yelling in arabic telling everybody to get down, keep their hands in plain sight. breaching the doors. and bringing out detainees flash bang grenades, shotguns, charges are all essential in this kind of an operation. some of the suspects that were detained in this operation were the high-valued targets. they were identified on sight. then taken to an exfiltration zone. where it l.z. is being illuminated. >> greta: what's lz. >> landing zone. illuminated by uaz. unmanned vehicle these are the night stalkers. the famous special operations aviation regiment. they took us back to our base, by dawn they released those guys who were not part of the real suspects and detained the high value targets. entire mission on the ground, about the same length of time as
it took to capture, find and then kill osama bin laden. >> greta: that also a last october? >> that was in october. from a base in afghanistan out to the objective area and back. we had that uav up over top of us with hell fire missiles and optics that allow us to carry out those operations. >> greta: what is so extraordinary from a layperson's standpoint how well it was executed. looking at that and i think back to this past weekend. we lost a helicopter. i'm not too moved by that the fact that none of our seals were killed and they went in and they had a surgical operation and. >> brightest, best educated train led force the world has ever seen. if you are an enemy of america, be afraid, be very afraid. this kind of operation is the kind of thing that they are experts at. they can do it literally at the drop of a hat. the operation that was conducted last weekend was rehearsed for
seven months. >> every day? >> congressman rodgers pointed out -- it was refined. they find something that they needed to refine and find something they needed to change. change it modify it on the ground and rehearse it. as congressman rodgers said a few moments ago seven months of preparation and it never leaked. i'm astounded. >> greta: i guess we're lucky it didn't leak though, too. that obama -- i mean that obama ordered that seven months afterwards is extraordinary and in the meantime bin laden didn't get away very few people who have been as critical of this administration as i have been. give him credit for the boldness no we are going to do a ground operation with these seals and that kind of technology you just saw and allow them to get in and out to prove that we actually killed him without leaving a memorial so that people could go to his grave site astounding. >> greta: lawless. ollie nice to see you. >> good to be with you. >> greta: coming up, osama bin laden slip up new information on how we found him.
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>> greta: bin laden apparently thought he could outsmart us and outrun us but that all ended on sunday. we got him. so what was the slip-up. tonight, new information about what led us to him. fox news correspondent catherine herridge joins us. good evening, catherine, tell me, where did he slip up? how did we get him. >> really what i have been able to understand through my reporting is there was an initial piece of swedges that came out of the cia program in 2003. that was the secret prisons, the black sites and the information came from khalid sheikh mohammed a couple months after he was waterboarded. >> greta: a name. >> a nickname for courier. they say in the intelligence word a non--for the courier. somebody who immediately caught their attention. seemed to be somebody who was
within that al qaeda inner circle, someone trusted by bin laden. >> greta: when you say courier, what's a courier do. >> someone who does a lot of odd jobs for bin laden. he also helped transmit messages, carrying tapes. he was like a go to guy. this was sort of a very small circle of people who were able to have that kind of relationship with bin laden and this courier was described as someone who was really trusted by bin laden. >> greta: how did we hook up to find out where this cure your was and where he lived? >> we had a pretty big pickup in 2004 in iraq and this operative said, hey, this courier, this guy that was his nongugare. he was trusted by bin laden and had a relationship with khalid sheikh mohammed and another operative called abu alabi. and what's key here is that when this information was put to khalid sheikh mohammed. he said hey, that guy, that guy is not an important guy that guy
is out of the business. >> greta: deceitful? >> what happened there was a second interview. this operative said hey, i don't even know who you are talking about. this set up a red flag because it seemed like khalid sheikh mohammed and the other operative were trying to cover for the courier it made him even more important in the eyes of the cia. so they continued to follow that name. when they saw more and more evidence from other detainees that this guy was important and that he was close to bin laden that convinced them that they had to identify this person which is what they ultimately did in 2007. >> greta: he made a phone call and that's what tripped him. >> pretty much -- >> greta: who -- >> if i knew that. >> greta: waterboarding is a big controversy. did waterboarding in any way pry out this information or have any impact on this investigation? >> i think what i would do is lay out the fact of what happened. people have to decide for themselves what the connection was. because no dispute here in washington today that that initial thread of intelligence came from the cia program in
2003. and the cia program in 2003 was the enenhanced interrogation program which was the waterboarding program at the black site. what i learned today is that khalid sheikh mohammed provided that information about three or four months after he was waterboarded. you have to decide whether or not there is a direct connection. >> greta: i thought he said he didn't know who it was though. >> he provided the name but he later said when he was asked about him again. that guy is just not that important. i don't know why you are asking me about him. but, those people who supported the enhanced interrogation program say that it, in effect, i don't want to use the word broke these people, but it took khalid sheik mohammed and others and took them from this uncooperative posture to a cooperative posture. >> greta: did the courier get killed in this takedown. >> he did. >> greta: he is gone too. >> he was killed and his brother was killed. one of the things i found fascinating in the reporting little details and very sort of human details that convinced the cia that bin laden was at the compound.
there were three families that were there. two were the courier's families. he and his brother. then there was a third family. in that family there was what was described to me as an older gentleman who was shown a lot of respect and deference by other people in the compound. he was not required to do any physical work on the compound. he was considered special. and that was an important piece of information. >> greta: how did they know that? >> they knew that from the human intelligence on the ground. >> greta: hearing around the neighborhood basically. >> the way it was described to me is they had strong human intelligence on the ground and surveillance. >> greta: catherine, thank you. >> thank you. >> greta: here is a look what's coming up on the then o"the o'reilly factor." >> bill: greta, take you inside the world of the navy seals. very interesting. plus, the controversy tips over the bin laden deal. we will have krauthammer, goldberg, crowley and colmes upcoming. >> greta: that's 11:00 p.m. eastern time. coming up, we are all thrilled with the raid that killed bin laden. not everybody is. you will hear what henry
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>> from the fox west coast newsroom, hello, everybody. well, some relief for people threatened by flooding in the midwest. but the danger is far from over tonight. the partial demolition of a levy on the mississippi river has eased flood concerns in carroll, illinois. but there could be more trouble downstream, where the river may rise to its highest level since the 1920s. thousands of acres of missouri farmlands are underwater. memphis, tennessee, also in danger. the national guard rescuing a group of boy scouts after floodwaters stranded them in an arkansas forest. the six boys and two scout masters set out last week for a
trip to the mountains. when the group did know come home as planned, officials launched a search operation, but everyone is said to be doing just fine. all right. now back to "on the record." bret get back flash in back stan. pakistan is now criticizing the united states led raid that killed osama bin laden. why? because the u.s. did not notify pakistan of the attack for fear of losing the target. and there is much more. earlier today former secretary of state henry kissinger went on the record. >> greta: dr. kissinger, nice to see you, sir. >> good to see you as always. >> greta: a.p. is reporting that pakistan says it has deep concerns over unauthorized u.s. raid against osama bin laden. what do you think about that? >> well, they have to say that they are defending the airspace but, you know, it's a strange situation. >> greta: why is it strange? >> well, it's hard to believe
that they did not know that bin laden was there. almost inconceivable also conceivable to me that somebody in the pakistani establishment cooperated with us in making the raid possible and they don't want to admit either if they admit the first they admit collusion with the terrorist. if they admit the second, they admit cooperation with americans either one of them will hurt them with their public. >> greta: i find it impossible to believe that someone in the military or the isi didn't know that bin laden was there much. >> i find that inconceivable. >> greta: impossible or inconceivable? or is it the same. >> impossible. it's a military town military
school there. 80 miles from the capital. the building with unusual characteristics. no telephone, no internet somebody had to ask the question of how did he get there? >> greta: what does that mean for our relationship with pakistan? now we proof although many are suspicious of pakistan leading up to this? what do we do. >> it's not do they have sympathy with some of the terrorist groups they do because they created some -- the taliban was actually created by pakistan as part of the war against the soviet union and afghanistan so we are cooperating with afghanistan and they with us own national interest. they are not doing it as a favor to us. on some issues, our national
interests do insides. in their view it doesn't coincide on everything. so we get mixed cooperation. >> greta: some of these decisions are life and death. they are not just money. whether it's sending drones into particular areas or supplying supply routes. >> the -- based in pakistan have never really been fully controlled by the government then under the british and then under the current government. so to some extent, there is some plausibility but there is no doubt that the pakistanis would at least some elements in pakistan want to keep the taliban as a reserve in case of a conflict with india, overriding obsession. so what we have to decide from case to case is to what extent do our interests coincide but we
have to understand that for afghanistan -- for pakistan, afghanistan, that's not represent identical interest with the united states. >> greta: there are two things that i wondered about. one is if bin laden was there, are the others there like al zawahiri number two or alomar. the second thing is how can we feel safe that their nuclear weapons are secure and secured by the right people? >> the taliban, is almost certainly there. because al qaeda connection it's with that part of pakistan. >> greta: they are essentially protecting him if he is there. >> they are making it possible for his survival. closing their eyes to his presence. i think that's -- with within to nuclear weapons.
that is a totally different issue for them. they know if the weapons are unsafe. if they threaten us or if they get into a nuclear war with other countries. that would involve us in a way that they would not be willing to place. so, in that respect, we have a common interest -- i think it is possible -- i think it is likely that they are keeping their nuclear weapons safe. what could happen further down the road it's not that they are able to protect nuclear weapons but for example they sell them to the saudis or to other possible allies. that is the worry one has to have about the pakistan nuclear establishment. as a backup to other radical or to radical islamic government. >> greta: dr. kissinger, thank you, sir. straight ahead, new information
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and what about those neighbors? we are learning new information about the compound. dominic di-natale joins us. what do the neighbors say? was anything unusual about who lived there? >> >> yeah. they were very suspicious about the people living inside the compound. it was one reason for that. neighbors that would knock on the door. in one particular case it was somebody handing out polio vaccines to the 23 children who lived inside the compounds. they saw some suvs commented on them and. suvs cost three times as much as they could in the united states. as much as $120,000 which in a poor country like that is a phenomenal amount of money. people thought these were drug dealers or people from the criminal elements. the guys that actually owned the place two cousins, they leased the house we believe some five or six years ago to osama bin
laden. were all part of his transport where they -- tall, bedded and fair skinned men they were in there with the nine women and 2 children. neighbors, their kids said they said their grandchildren, in one case the kurdish -- grandchildren played with the children and grandchildren of those men inside the compound. one particular occasion they gave these kids rabbits to take home with them after they had been playing one afternoon. one of these men had also given a ride to the market on a rainy day. that's all they saw of these men. sometimes they would go to a funeral in the local neighborhood and try to appear neighborly. most of the time they kept themselves to themselves. people in the area, which is a very gentle neighborhood normally mingled with the neighbors never saw that much of these people and as a result wondered whether these people were dodgy or criminal elements
and keeping their distance in case there were problems in the neighborhood. greta? >> greta: are these the only house in the neighborhood with walls or is that the way all the houses in the neighborhood were. >> a lot of people do enjoy their privacy and do enjoy high walls nowhere near as high as this particular compound in this bin laden was found. 10-foot to 18-foot in some cases. particularly on the higher levels of that tower that you seen inside the compound where there was 4 to 6-foot wall at one point. protecting the windows. which makes it look very, very suspicious. looked more like a watch tower from those pictures which generated an awful lot of suspicion in the neighborhood. this is a country where the afraid of the wealthy attached to the criminal fraternity and the awful powerful military. nobody like to get involved with those because they are quite sinister forces, greta.
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it sounds like the name most new yorkers would have invented for the fictional place they would have loved to kill bin laden. abbottabad. [ applause ] there is no question in my mind. i tell you what i would do, you give me a gun. you drop me into [bleep] abbottabad or whatever they call it. i will give it a shot. i will go over there. i will go to [bleep] and i will shoot him in his abbottabad bingo. you know what i'm talking about? boom. >> greta: that is your last call. lights are blinking and we are closing down shop. thanks for being with us tonight. we will see you all again tomorrow. go to gretawire.com. open thread for you to write on gretawire.com. keep it here on fox news channel. most powerful name in news. "the o'reilly factor" is next. good night from washington, d.c. the nation's capital. don't get?